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		<title>By: Dr. Chucks Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Considering Open &#8211; Rethinking Cathedral and Bazaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Chucks Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Considering Open &#8211; Rethinking Cathedral and Bazaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 22:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was reading an excellent blog post titled &#8220;Open isn&#8217;t so open anymore&#8221; written by George Siemens. George makes points about how quickly things move from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OER and Pragmatism through the Overton Window &#124; Tran&#124;Script</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-22078</link>
		<dc:creator>OER and Pragmatism through the Overton Window &#124; Tran&#124;Script</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to write a screed here on ideology and pragmatism when I realized I was looking at the recent Siemens piece all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-22063</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

I have been a fan of Stallman for ages. I&#039;m an open educator, believing knowledge should NOT be a commodity.  This presentation  http://eflclassroom.com/flash/manifesto20.swf  and my own educational community (I call it a bunker for when the dark ages come), espouse openess and letting ideas reign free. It&#039;s Ning (but I now regret that choice) http://eflclassroom.com    

I delight in your own revealing of the emperors without clothes. There really isn&#039;t that much &quot;openess&quot; out there in education. I&#039;ve been hoping that once the dinosaurs die, there&#039;d be more open savaanah but ain&#039;t the case at all. Just more guns and shooting and &quot;don&#039;t touch my ideas&quot;, as if  a thought were something that could be owned (and where did they receive it from? ). 

I&#039;ve been warning others of the great consolidation coming to social networks. Meaning, if &quot;content is king&quot;, the big fishes will close in and scoop up all those tuna through laws, size, muscle and technology (which is not just a means to good). I see it happening.  But like hackers, we stay ahead and horde and remain faithful to the potential of being able to view ideas as not a means to a profit but as something which can benefit society and take even let it prosper economically too. 

But you said it all, &quot;openess should be ruled by ideology not convenience&quot;. However much bad press that word has got - it&#039;s the truth. Ideology is of all things. I believe. But we need more educators putting their ideas/thoughts where their mouths are. 

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>I have been a fan of Stallman for ages. I&#8217;m an open educator, believing knowledge should NOT be a commodity.  This presentation  <a href="http://eflclassroom.com/flash/manifesto20.swf" rel="nofollow">http://eflclassroom.com/flash/manifesto20.swf</a>  and my own educational community (I call it a bunker for when the dark ages come), espouse openess and letting ideas reign free. It&#8217;s Ning (but I now regret that choice) <a href="http://eflclassroom.com" rel="nofollow">http://eflclassroom.com</a>    </p>
<p>I delight in your own revealing of the emperors without clothes. There really isn&#8217;t that much &#8220;openess&#8221; out there in education. I&#8217;ve been hoping that once the dinosaurs die, there&#8217;d be more open savaanah but ain&#8217;t the case at all. Just more guns and shooting and &#8220;don&#8217;t touch my ideas&#8221;, as if  a thought were something that could be owned (and where did they receive it from? ). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been warning others of the great consolidation coming to social networks. Meaning, if &#8220;content is king&#8221;, the big fishes will close in and scoop up all those tuna through laws, size, muscle and technology (which is not just a means to good). I see it happening.  But like hackers, we stay ahead and horde and remain faithful to the potential of being able to view ideas as not a means to a profit but as something which can benefit society and take even let it prosper economically too. </p>
<p>But you said it all, &#8220;openess should be ruled by ideology not convenience&#8221;. However much bad press that word has got &#8211; it&#8217;s the truth. Ideology is of all things. I believe. But we need more educators putting their ideas/thoughts where their mouths are. </p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Avoimesti yhdessä mutta mitä? &#124; verkko-opettajan palapeli</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-21782</link>
		<dc:creator>Avoimesti yhdessä mutta mitä? &#124; verkko-opettajan palapeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Olen aina arvostanut noiden kurssien pyrkimystä ja osallistujana tunnen niitä myös sisältä päin. Oli kyse mahdottomasta hankkeesta (jotka ovat aina kiehtovia) eikä pystytty etenemään varsinaisesti tavoitteen suunnassa. Verkkoja sai ja linkkejä mutta teorianmuodostuksesta en kyllä puhuisi. Näen kuitenkin analogiaa open source liikkeen syntyyn: CCK-kurssit kokosivat yhteen samankaltaista porukkaa eettisessä mielessä.  Mutta muuten olimme erittäin heterogeenistä ja keskustelut velloivat ja hajautuivat lukuisiin välineisiin, toisella kertaa voi melkein sanoa kurssin kadonnen ilmaan ennen aikojaan. George Siemens on hänkin pohtinut kysymystä avoimuudesta: jäikö sen aika lyhyeksi? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Olen aina arvostanut noiden kurssien pyrkimystä ja osallistujana tunnen niitä myös sisältä päin. Oli kyse mahdottomasta hankkeesta (jotka ovat aina kiehtovia) eikä pystytty etenemään varsinaisesti tavoitteen suunnassa. Verkkoja sai ja linkkejä mutta teorianmuodostuksesta en kyllä puhuisi. Näen kuitenkin analogiaa open source liikkeen syntyyn: CCK-kurssit kokosivat yhteen samankaltaista porukkaa eettisessä mielessä.  Mutta muuten olimme erittäin heterogeenistä ja keskustelut velloivat ja hajautuivat lukuisiin välineisiin, toisella kertaa voi melkein sanoa kurssin kadonnen ilmaan ennen aikojaan. George Siemens on hänkin pohtinut kysymystä avoimuudesta: jäikö sen aika lyhyeksi? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Measuring (and forging a path to) openness&#160;&#124;&#160;George Veletsianos</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-21435</link>
		<dc:creator>Measuring (and forging a path to) openness&#160;&#124;&#160;George Veletsianos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highlighted in the various discussions occurring at the moment surrounding &#8220;openness&#8221; (here, here, here, and here), the term and it&#8217;s meaning are somewhat mystified. To confuse you even [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bmccargo</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-20615</link>
		<dc:creator>bmccargo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a teacher in a public school system, open education is nearly impossible. It sounds like a wonderful idea, but in reality it is currently limited due to the restrictions applied by the district offices. Therefore, openness stops with student-student, or teacher-student interaction. There are so many policies, procedures, specific lesson plans and formats, time constraints, not too mention a ridiculous amount of filtering on what can and cannot be viewed on the internet. Why can my students view before and after plastic surgery photographs, but be blocked from  participating in an educational blog?

The district office is doing a disservice to the children by limiting them on interactions with other students throughout the world. They receive very little real world experiences in which they could make personal connections and manipulate information allowing it to be stored in their long-term memory (Orey, 2001). Instead, we have to create a fake “real world” and try to encourage students that this is actually how it is in real life. It does not quite have the same effect than the real deal. 

In terms of openness what can teachers do? According to Huitt, teachers are able to implement group discussions, teach goal setting, and provide choices for tasks and activities. Beyond that, limits are set by the district. Any other ideas on how open education can be achieved in a classroom setting?

The article Open Education: A New Paradigm demonstrates the importance of open education and the benefits it provides, locally as well as nationally. King states that “Open education isn’t just about technology; it’s about new ways of communicating, collaborating, and exchanging information such that every student is able to achieve his or her full potential.” Isn’t this something that a system would want to embrace if it truly was putting students first?

Open education would be greatly beneficial to teachers and students. Unfortunately, teachers are so controlled on what they can and cannot do, open education seems like a far off place that is currently out of reach. If anyone has any ideas on how to enhance instruction with openness in mind, suggestions are much appreciated.

Huitt, W. (2009). Humanism and open education. Educational Psychology Interactive. Valdosta, GA: Valdosta State University. Retrieved January 17, 2010, from http://www.edpsycinteractive.org/topics/affsys/humed.html

King, M. (2009) Open Education: A New Paradigm. University Business: Solutions for Higher Education Management. Retrieved January 17, 2010, from http://www.universitybusiness.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=1192&amp;p=2#0.

Orey, M. (Ed.). (2001). Emerging perspectives on learning, teaching, and technology. Retrieved January 16, 2010, from http://projects.coe.uga.edu/epltt/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher in a public school system, open education is nearly impossible. It sounds like a wonderful idea, but in reality it is currently limited due to the restrictions applied by the district offices. Therefore, openness stops with student-student, or teacher-student interaction. There are so many policies, procedures, specific lesson plans and formats, time constraints, not too mention a ridiculous amount of filtering on what can and cannot be viewed on the internet. Why can my students view before and after plastic surgery photographs, but be blocked from  participating in an educational blog?</p>
<p>The district office is doing a disservice to the children by limiting them on interactions with other students throughout the world. They receive very little real world experiences in which they could make personal connections and manipulate information allowing it to be stored in their long-term memory (Orey, 2001). Instead, we have to create a fake “real world” and try to encourage students that this is actually how it is in real life. It does not quite have the same effect than the real deal. </p>
<p>In terms of openness what can teachers do? According to Huitt, teachers are able to implement group discussions, teach goal setting, and provide choices for tasks and activities. Beyond that, limits are set by the district. Any other ideas on how open education can be achieved in a classroom setting?</p>
<p>The article Open Education: A New Paradigm demonstrates the importance of open education and the benefits it provides, locally as well as nationally. King states that “Open education isn’t just about technology; it’s about new ways of communicating, collaborating, and exchanging information such that every student is able to achieve his or her full potential.” Isn’t this something that a system would want to embrace if it truly was putting students first?</p>
<p>Open education would be greatly beneficial to teachers and students. Unfortunately, teachers are so controlled on what they can and cannot do, open education seems like a far off place that is currently out of reach. If anyone has any ideas on how to enhance instruction with openness in mind, suggestions are much appreciated.</p>
<p>Huitt, W. (2009). Humanism and open education. Educational Psychology Interactive. Valdosta, GA: Valdosta State University. Retrieved January 17, 2010, from <a href="http://www.edpsycinteractive.org/topics/affsys/humed.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.edpsycinteractive.org/topics/affsys/humed.html</a></p>
<p>King, M. (2009) Open Education: A New Paradigm. University Business: Solutions for Higher Education Management. Retrieved January 17, 2010, from <a href="http://www.universitybusiness.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=1192&amp;p=2#0" rel="nofollow">http://www.universitybusiness.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=1192&amp;p=2#0</a>.</p>
<p>Orey, M. (Ed.). (2001). Emerging perspectives on learning, teaching, and technology. Retrieved January 16, 2010, from <a href="http://projects.coe.uga.edu/epltt/" rel="nofollow">http://projects.coe.uga.edu/epltt/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lesetipps f&#252;r den 11. Januar &#124; Blogpiloten.de - das Beste aus Blogs, Videos, Musik und Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-19867</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesetipps f&#252;r den 11. Januar &#124; Blogpiloten.de - das Beste aus Blogs, Videos, Musik und Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kritischer Text aus Kanada zur Bewegung des Open und Free, die vor allem in Kreisen der Medienberater und Gesellschaftspropheten als Heilsmantra der zukünftigen digitalen Welt gilt. Eine marginale Perspektive auf das Konstrukt der &#8220;Offenheit&#8221; die gekonnt dargelegt wird. Meine Empfehlung des Tages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kritischer Text aus Kanada zur Bewegung des Open und Free, die vor allem in Kreisen der Medienberater und Gesellschaftspropheten als Heilsmantra der zukünftigen digitalen Welt gilt. Eine marginale Perspektive auf das Konstrukt der &#8220;Offenheit&#8221; die gekonnt dargelegt wird. Meine Empfehlung des Tages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Question 10 of 365: What does Open mean? &#124; Learning is Change.</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-19804</link>
		<dc:creator>Question 10 of 365: What does Open mean? &#124; Learning is Change.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now there is a heated debate going on about what Open Education is and should be. Mark Weller, George Siemens, David Wiley, Jim Groom, Graham Atwell, Frances Bell, Dave Cormier, Darren Draper and Stephen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now there is a heated debate going on about what Open Education is and should be. Mark Weller, George Siemens, David Wiley, Jim Groom, Graham Atwell, Frances Bell, Dave Cormier, Darren Draper and Stephen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-19638</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure George, good luck with the discussion and good luck with leading the revolution!</description>
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		<title>By: Information Development &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly IM Update.</title>
		<link>http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=198&#038;cpage=2#comment-19562</link>
		<dc:creator>Information Development &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly IM Update.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just read a very thought-provoking post on Connectivism titled “Open isn’t so open anymore.”  It got me thinking about the core value behind the open methodology concept.  It is true [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just read a very thought-provoking post on Connectivism titled “Open isn’t so open anymore.”  It got me thinking about the core value behind the open methodology concept.  It is true [...]</p>
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